idea or recourse to spending and how we're going to pay for it. now you tell me how do you pay for adding 30 million or 50 million new people to a health care system? how do you pay for it without raising taxes or without burdening small businesses? >> i'll show you right now. one, the congressional budget office. >> the congressional budget office is only as good as the information you put into it and you know that. >> sure. >> you put in faulty information, you're going to get a faulty response. >> garbage in, garbage out. but cbo, which has been looked to by both parties says it will save hundreds of billions of dollars. because, here is the critical reason, it will rationalize the delivery of health care. the people who are uninsured. >> it was already rationalized. what do you mean? you're talking about catching 30 million people who weren't in the system. the question before the country at this time by this president was well, we've got to bring these 30 million people in. so the next response was okay, how do you do that? that question was never answered. and then we got on to all this other stuff. >> here is the misconception.