but that is not necessarily true, because there are actually commercial flights that are operating. so the state department believes that perhaps some of those people got out on their own. and i should also add that the state department is saying that some americans were injured. we don't have numbers on those. but they are being helped both in cairo and when they get to the locations that they're going to, usually in europe. >> jill, let me -- there are plenty of americans i'm sure, that number of 2,300 who said they wanted to leave, that was before violence started to break out. those numbers were released on monday or tuesday. the world has changed here. the situation on the ground has changed. i know for a fact there are americans who want to leave who are scared about going to the airport. if the state department doesn't have an answer for it now, perhaps you can ask them tomorrow what they would advise, are they trying to set up