and they didn't say specifically, but they said it is substantial sums by any account. >> fouad, the sanctions make any difference whatsoever to what happened in tripoli? >> no, we've seen this movie before about the sanctions. gadhafi endured a generation, 15 years or so of sanctions. we also have another case of sanctions, which our viewers will remember very well, which is saddam hussein, who endured sanctions from 1991 to 2003, when president george bush decapitated his regime. the sanctions never worked. anyone with money, anyone with a huge amount of money as gadhafi does, can break these sanctions, can bust them with great ease. and one thing we know about the sanctions, to pass sanctions, if you come to the security council and do a round of sanctions in the security council, there you need the russians and the chinese. the only kinds of resolutions and provisions that would pass in the united nations are really mild.
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