rule. without any formal lines of hierarchy. i would say they're not in a great hurry to do so despite the fact that that if there were a clear leadership, it would facile today negotiations are foreign governments. where military or otherwise to this part of the country. >> thank you so much. ben wedeman reporting to us from benghazi. now cnn's senior international correspondent nic robertson is there. i heard you happen to run into saif gadhafi, which is amazing on its own in tripoli. what are you hearing about the gadhafi government and the