as we have been hearing on the one hand. you have a well trained army, and on the other hand you have a bunch of civilians, many of them teenagers with their guns, fighting with their heart and courage. >> in a place like zawiyah, if it seems like government forces have control of the city, and any roads to and from the city, they have the cities ringed and they have made incursions into the cities and we've seen battle there's. they haven't, as far as we know right now, taken over those cities, do we know what -- are they conscious? can they not take over those cities? do we know why they haven't at this point? >> it's not known precisely why they haven't. we know there are ways for the rebels to be able to get out of the cities. there's a lot of farmland around zawiyah for example, people are able to sneak in and out and resupply medical supplies and not really apparent what heavy