the like. and the idea somehow or the other that people in ramallah or amman would mind seeing the americans could to the rescue is a form of abdication. we keep saying we want this rebellion to be organic and awe then tick, we want it to be libyan. it is authentic and libyan, but the people are still facing a heavily armed regime. and it's a moral burden that we have, that we have to level the killing field in libya. >> in terms of national security interest, those will argue morally there may be issues here the u.s. should get involved but there's no national security interest. >> libya has important oil reserves. so you've got an energy national security interest alone. we've had a very active al qaeda presence and what do we know about al qaeda's presence in that region? they look for ungoverned states.