direction, $5 gas, unbearable unemployment, he's kicked it in the dugout in the national arena. we can't afford another whimsical election. >> do you believe president obama was born in hawaii? >> i do, piers. i'm not one that questions his -- the authenticity of his birth certificate. the weight of the evidence is the certificate of live birth made available to news media, including cnn, has been documented. there was a newspaper account of him being born a couple days after the birth. and so, i don't question his birth in hawaii and we've got to move on to other issues. and if mr. trump and others want to pursue that, i understand that. but i don't pursue that line of questioning. >> do you find there's a slightly unsettling tone to that debate? it's been put to me, for example, that you've never seen any other president have to go through this kind of inquisition over where they were born. and he happens to be the first african-american president.