for so long, thumbing his nose at the west and against the united states was some form of defeat for america. so in that sense, the death of him is a clear success. i think the fact that he was found in -- well, it looks a bit like a student slum, doesn't it, the conditions he was living in, has led some people to think well this can hardly have been the sort of terror command center, as it were. but the group that he was leading is not some sort of fictional enemy from a james bond film. this is real world. in the real world, terrorist organizations like that are often run by a desperate group of individuals often living in very poor conditions who have come together to launch murderous attacks. so in this sense i wasn't hugely surprised at the conditions he was living in. and i completely believe he was still involved, if not leading and plotting terrorist attacks. >> how does al qaeda operate compared to other terrorist