laura for 25 years. it was completely inapplicable. everything was wrong about what he said. he should have apologized. it was gracious of her to accept his apology. to an extent, all of us who talk in public we define our place in the hierarchy about how we talk. we have all said stupid things. >> i have. >> we don't want to have our entire career judged by one stupid thing. you hear yourself saying afterwards and i don't even believe that. things come out sometimes. nonetheless, we have to live with the consequences of our words, and we define ourselves. he has to some extent, i've done ed's tv show, and he has always been perfectly fair to me. he has defined himself downward by this language. and msnbc has to decide what to do. >> i hope it doesn't really take away from a person who has devoted his life to not just being a talk show host, but he is a very passionate progressive who stands up for public worker. he has been out there on the