so, he actually could have a ton of conflicts of interests and not be breaking the law. >> this plays into the way donnell loves to do business. he likes to be the one guy who the rules don't apply to. >> they don't apply here. >> no, no. i think what's funny is that he is often very lucky that way. obviously, he didn't plan this when he ran for president. he may not have even been aware of these regulations. and this is where i think we have to worry a bit. these are very much amateurs and this is a man who lived at the top of a tower for most of his adult life. he's isolated from a lot of reality. whether they understand how it looks, it may be legal but it could look awful. >> perception matters, especially when you want to get re-elected. and he was elected by sort of the working class and the blue collar worker who is not going to want to see his hand in both places. more than 500 businesses that he's tied to. you know the man in the tower.