would like to see bannon maybe sink further into the background, perhaps out of the white house, but they're not going to have that chance. at the same time you've seen republican leaders today struggling to answer on why steve bannon, someone who has such a checkered his industry a part of this without and they'll have to continue doing that until they have a good answer, frankly. >> alex, he's part of the white house because he was such an essential part of the campaign. you look at transition that this campaign made after donald trump jetson's paul man forte. steve bannon was big part of that. he's a big part of donald trump's success. >> absolutely right. in some respect the kind of figure where the exact title probably matters less than it does for somebody like reince priebus who does need a certain kind of institutional legitimacy and sort of explicit authority to operate the machine of government in order to perform his role. if someone like steve bannon, and a number of people in the trump universe fall into this