targeted this year. next year it's the rnc. >> yep. >> -- and, you know, who knows. steve bannon or reince priebus. >> so, i mean, when it comes to cyber issues, first off, defense is the best offense. so if we can defend that information, that's important. understand that what you send out on e-mail can be revealed. the other thing is, i think this will have to have to the level of the cold war. you can always find cyber vulnerabilities. if something like this happens, expect something like this even greater to happen to you. there was discussion about, there is very embarrassing information that probably could reveal to some level about vladimir putin and his business dealings overseas. i mean, you have to get to a level where we're willing to go to the wall to also -- so that somebody understands that any attack on our sovereignty would result in at least equal if not greater penalties for them. >> admiral rogers, while we are talking about admiral rogers, at