voters, and then doing what he wants? >> i think he's probably getting some whispers in his ear to look like you're being more universal in your thought process and look like you're work being hard to appease people on the left and the right. i think it's actually far less interesting to me. i think donald trump is just all over the map. i don't think he knows what he's doing. i don't think he has a world view. i don't think he has a strong take on these issues so he's pulling to the as many people as possible to sift together some sort of a policy team. it's very, very dangerous and it doesn't mean he's paying careful attention to it. >> i'd like to talk a little bit about president obama's legacy because we've been talking a lot about his legacy lately, douglas. will this really shape the president's legacy? i mean, him talking about it? to all these different sources. >> well, i don't know. it doesn't hurt. i mean he's trying to -- trying to remind people of what it was like eight years ago. i mean, the classic question, were we worse off eight years ago, the answer is yes. we had a great recession. it was awful. the economy was tanking.