it wasn't like he could go into an african-american community, so he targeted the church, because he knew african-americans would be there, but suggesting that he didn't want to go into a community where there would be lots of african-americans. so, in many ways, he knew they were vulnerable, he knew that that was a place are he could exert power and control over them. i think it's important to note that this is a federal capital murder case, and it's a federal case, because this is a hate crime case, and the fbi agents did do a great job in getting him to confess that the purpose of these murders was solely based on race. these people were targeted because they were african-american, and his actions towards them were solely based on his belief that white people are better and that african-americans are somehow inferior and deserving to be killed. >> did it -- was it surprising to you, doctor, that when he said "why," he kind of didn't know. he had to think about it. >> there was kind of a long pause. and i have to disagree with