is a vulnerable person who was probably duped into sort of going along with them, it appears. somebody who was mentally disabled, i think makes it even more sickening. but at the end of the day, you just try to wrap your head around evil. that's what this is. it's brutality, man's inhumanity to man. >> i don't think it's evil. i don't think it's evil. i think these are young people and i think they have bad home training. when i say who is raising these young people? i have no idea, because no one i know on earth, who is 17 years old, or 70 years old would ever think of treaty inning another person like that. you wonder, where is your parent, where is your gardian? let peter answer. go ahead, peter. >> i don't know. look, this isn't -- the epidemic