crazy. at another level seems crazy enough to do something like this. >> i think we have to take him very seriously. i know there is a tendency to ridicule the north korean leadership and to look at what they say and just think of them as meaningless boasts, but as joe said, the level of testing we have seen over the last eight years have been incredible. they have done 65 missile and nuclear tests over the last eight years compared with 17 in the previous 14 years. this is not just boasting. this is a military testing program designed to achieve the objective that joe just described which is a nuclear tipped icbm that can reach the united states. the purpose of that is the hold the united states hostage so that we would not be able to defend our allies and north korea would be at liberty to coerce our allies in the region with all sorts of threats and other sorts of activities. i think we have to take this very seriously.