his win. electoral based system. 33 of 50 states voted. he believes what he believes. based on the information he is provided. >> what does it mean for democracy? what does that mean? if he does believe it? >> i've answered your question. >> have you? >> sean didn't answer the question. what does it mean for democracy when the white house questions legitimacy of the election? >> it's an astonishing moment. i mean, i don't know. are you using the word liar? what are you using? >> you have to use the word -- you have to call it what it is. >> and "new york times" we had this debate. in today's newspaper we used the word lie. and saying that about a president is astonishing thing. there was internal discussion about that. but those who argued that one shouldn't use the word lie said we don't know the president's intention.