i think what he hears about nato is important, alliances are an important foundation stone of world order. again, we live the hard way in the 20th century, that when the stability of europe goes south, the united states pays a huge price. again, nothing is local in the world. we live in a world that what happens anywhere is going to come back and affect us. there is no las vegas anywhere in the world. what happens there doesn't stay there, it comes here. we have to be extraordinarily mindful of that. >> the book again is "a world in disarray." richard haass, thanks for being here. good talking to you. >> thanks for having me. you'll be watching cnn newsroom in just a moment. for the rest of us viewers, "new day" continues right now. >> the day is over when they can stay in our country. >> building the $28 billion wall is not an immigration policy. >> that wall will cost us nothing. >> is tuesday's meeting with mexico's president in jeopardy? >> we'll defend all of our people regardless of their documentation status. >> i asked him the question,