responded to the bakkers' constant request for money. >> how many do you have right now? >> just about 30. >> 30 what? >> silver 7,000 clubs. >> that's $90,000. >> praise god. >> the bakkers have been criticized for their own lavish lifestyle. >> just because i'm a christian doesn't mean i don't like nice things. i love nice things and jim and i work very, very hard for nice things. >> they say the only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. >> toys like a fleet of luxury cars and a spring of fancy homes from palm springs, california, to south carolina. >> they think by them living well and having rolls-royces, everything will think god is shining upon them and us. and ptl becomes the vehicle for their immediate empire, for their theme parks. >> if we are to be fishers of men, that's what the bible says, we are fishers of men, we've been using some pretty lousy bait. we've just built better bait to reach people. >> you can have a lifetime