>> within 24 hours of you on the phone with the russian leader, the pro-russian forces step up the violence in ukraine. did you take that as insult? >> no, i didn't. we don't know what that is. their pro-forces. are they controlled or uncontrolled? we'll see. >> uncontrolled? fascinating words from the u.s. president. i want to talk more about this. we are joined by cnn's phil black by phone in eastern ukraine. phil phil, if you can hear me, the words of the president who says he is not sure if they can be controlled by russia. how is that being received? >> reporter: not very well, john. in a country that is concerned about president trump's regular efforts of flattery of the