speaking to his base. he's made -- sigh that 44% -- pardon the interruption, they believe when he says mistruths? do they believe that? >> i think enough of them do or he wouldn't be doing it. i think he putts it out there and people who don't follow this as obsessively of this as the rest of us and others are probably healthier in other parts of their life, therefore, it becomes part of a kind of catastrophic news environment where people believe that, well, wait. didn't obama wiretap him? you know? we never saw that birth certificate. it is the continual post truth stories that at a certain point have a corrosive effect on the public trust and for those of us who -- i was -- we were talking last tuesday. we're -- those of us who think he's trying to lend -- now trying to lead the whole country, it is like lucy and the