whether 20 million people who gained coverage under his 2010 law will remain insured. do you believe that, the people who will going to lose health care is going to be, if not the biggest element in this not passing? >> right. i mean, 20 million people have coverage under obamacare. under the republican plan, cbo estimated that 24 million were going to lose it. those are big numbers. those are -- those are very difficult for congress to get over. so, now, really, president trump says that obamacare is about to explode. he just wants to let it explode. that would be the best thing because it would bring democrats to the table. but is he really able to tell 20 million people, sorry, i'm not doing anything for you. it's going to be difficult and for lawmakers. >> here's the other thing, the republicans had seven years to come up with a plan. then, of course, president trump came into the mix and had his