historic proportion. the white house believes flynn should testify. how unusual is all of this? >> meaning what? everything we're talking about the past three months is unusual. but given the specific topic there had been reports that story would come out that flynn would be asking for immunity for the past few days. look, i think you have an administration that doesn't want to completely alienate flynn because obviously they are very close. if there are any russian associations, flynn would know about them. michael flynn is somebody who feels disgruntled. this is the second administration in which he feels he's been burned by and which he has been fired for. the president on the one hand doesn't want to completely isola isolate him. on the other hand he has to distance himself as well. >> you're right, he was fired by the obama administration at that point. you wanted to say something? >> just one small thing on that. we are all trying to figure out, are flynn and trump on the same team here?