they talk about an issue. that issue doesn't have to get resolved. if we, republicans, are the party of border enforcement, then it's a good issue for us. if chuck schumer wants to lead the fight against it, i know that's good in democrat pockets. i think that's -- >> what about that? the congressman is saying as long as he is seen as fighting for it, maybe he doesn't are to deliver on it. >> lincoln said you can fool some of the people some of the time. that's how donald trump got to become president. he got fewer votes by 3 million than hillary clinton. but he fooled enough people. i don't fault those people. you fall for a con, it doesn't make you a bad person. it makes the con artist a liar and bad person. he conned the folks, many of them really good people. >> paul, we haven't been conned. his approving rating with republicans is 80% to 85%. we understand -- >> the con is working. >> he is fighting for us. i think that's what people see.