deals and nafta since its passage, negotiation under several presidents, but its ratification in 1993, has been a populist staple anti-nafta sentiment. this is what ross perot ran on, remember. got 19% -- back when 19% meant something and -- and this is what pat buchanan ran on in 1992 and '96. i'm interested in what mark said. my sense is all of us have a strike count in life, you know. maybe it's throw strikes. maybe it's six if you're lick, and i do wonder what trump's strike count is with his supporters. if it's no wall. if it's nafta stands, if it's no infrastructure, at what point do they begin to think, you know what, i -- i'm glad hillary clinton is not president but i don't really want this guy. >> yeah. >> and, again, he said he may renegotiate it in the future,