>> a little different. i think there is a question of legal guilt or not guilty and the question of innocence. the video doesn't show he was reaching for the gun or trying to shoot the officers. there is a moment where we go off camera, so it is difficult to determine one way or the other. i'm not comfortable saying that the police were defending their lives. i think there is a claim to be made, though, that there wasn't -- that it didn't meet the legal standard of proof to be guilty to be charged. the second thing here is the second round of shots i found troublesome. after being shot multiple times, he didn't need to be shot again. that's an issue for me. >> hold on, harry, one second because there is a larger issue here and the reason we're revisiting all this because it was this case that started this terrible cascading event that we saw last summer. first it was this case, alton sterling. we saw lots of protests and anger about what happened. and then the case in minnesota