to try to advance his sort of world view. because clearly the differences that you are articulating, and that trump was describing, this is a clash of world views. it is about the populace nationalist wave that many have described as sweeping the western world, sweeping europe. the question is has that wave crested or is it going to continue to sweep? and so this is a really important test. >> and is macron a test for this country who takes -- he started a new movement, essentially don't take the baggage of the established parties because we know from trump voters don't like. that can you sell establishment positions loon positions sloon positions as long as you have an outside label. >> it does make sense what obama is doing. he put this stricture on himself that he will will not get engaged with donald trump.