classified information with russian officials. let's discuss now. a former white house ethics lawyer and page pate. good evening to all of you. page, you don't think the president broke the law but you say he used bad judgment. how specifically and how bad? >> i don't think there's any question he used bad judgment. the question is how damaging it's going to be to the country. if anybody else had done with what he did in connection with meeting with foreign representatives and leaking classified information they would be prosecuted and put in jail. fortunately for the president these two laws that govern the release of classified information basically let the president do whatever it wants to do with classified information but it's horrible mistake of judgment because the information he's putting out there cannot just endangerer