phil, is there a real national security issue at stake here? >> heck no. this is backwards. if you come into the office, into the oval office you have a simple question. let's go to the practitioners and say we want to be a lot more aggressive. what might be helpful. let me tell you a couple of things that the fbi and the cia and the major city police chiefs would not say. number one, immigrants are not the source of most of the terrorist problems we had. when we did terror threat cases every day, i did four-and-a-half years of these, thousands of cases, these are typically native born americans or people who have been here a long time. they're not immigrants. second, let's assume they were, which is incorrect, these aren't the countries you would pick. i would look at others. some happen to be american friends, which suggests to me this list is politicized. saudi arabia, pakistan, egypt, those are places i would worry about more than this list. when i go to the supreme court to say this is about protecting millions of americans, i would