that's a fair question to ask whether any law was broken or not. then you get to the issue with both davids, which both davids mentioned, was there naive ssz h naivete. it doesn't have to be nefarious to be a problem. you have a private citizen. russia is very adept at this stuff. they are looking at an advantage there. the final thing i would say, if it is true jared kushner was lag to have these conversations in some russian facility outside of the years of u.s. intelligence, what does that say of the incoming president's view of american intelligence services and why would you want to have that kind of conversation in proprietary. it raise as lot of legitimate questions. >> can i raise this point. i think it's important to auto think about the broader context as well. a few minutes ago i said you had