all right. the panel is back. joe madison, what do you think about the messaging? i was asking -- john says the best way for the president to get his message out is to ignore what his attorneys and advisers are saying. >> that's a foolish position to take, and any good attorney listening to this show will tell you that. then you protest too much also. the other thing you have to keep in mind, everybody who starts to investigate just to find out what the truth is, they seem to get fired, and we know that for a fact. now, the final point that i will make, and with all due respect to john, i want this audience to understand, john doesn't know anymore than any of us sitting here. that's the reality. let the prosecutors do their thing, and then at some point -- and i have said this before -- we'll know what the truth is, but let's not pretend sitting up here on a tv set that somehow we