order. senator, i want to chat about a few different topics with you. thank you for joining us. let's start out on this issue of the travel ban. five months ago we saw an initial instatement of it, chaos at airports. do you have a sense that it will be a little more seamless, that there's a little more clarity about the visa guidelines? >> no, there's no clarity and unfortunate li so little confidence in this administration that i don't expect they'll be able to implement their travel ban. it's a terribly conceived plan to begin with. it's an absolute attack on american values, and i don't think it's going to keep us safer. we'll seal what the supreme court has to say about it in the fall. >> you mentioned you don't think it will keep the country safer. what's the argument to be made there? president trump has been emphatic, using his own logic, that there is a security component. >> i'm not sure what his own logic is. i will say there are things we