nations don't have permanent friends and enemies. they have permanent interests. and our issue is that china has deep strategic interests in north korea. look, it's the next door neighbor. they have worries about it imploding. we need to get at that rather than thinking we can wow similarly with putin, he's a russian nationalist. he has a very clear view. you have to get to him at that level rather than thinking that he can pal around and somehow i forgot and i'll sign up with the american agenda. >> you said the most powerful man -- one of the most powerful men in the world. you met with him a year ago? >> a year ago. >> so tell us, these two personalities coming together, big personalities coming together, take us to that. >> couldn't be more different. putin is quiet.