defended the reporter. wasn't this -- back to my original question, wasn't this -- shouldn't the president be there on foreign soil defending the united states, defending a free press instead of taking something that is local here to the united states and bringing it across the shore to foreign soil and having all of our allies and our enemies being able to see what kind of controversy we're having here? shouldn't he be defending america and the press? >> well, he did defend the press, but i also don't think anyone in the world doesn't know that the president has an adversarial relationship with the press. i think one of the things about having a free country is we don't sort of have propaganda when we go overseas and pretend things aren't going on in our country. we have a free and open dialogue for everybody to see. everybody knows the president has an adversarial -- >> what if the president is standing here -- >> based on a lie, we're not fake news, mike. >> that's not what i'm saying. what i'm saying -- of course, i'm not saying that. what i'm saying is it's a known fact that the president has an