white house. that is really what this is about to a certain extent. so as long as they can get those savings, whether it's called repeal, whether it's not called repeal, whether it's a narrow party line vote doesn't mat as finding the savings to get on to the next big thing. >> you find the savings but, julian, the democrats have said there have been some democrats who have said, look. we know that obamacare isn't perfect. we know there are changes that need to be made to it. what has been the obstacle that has taken republicans so long to try to craft a bill that work? >> well, it seems that the crafting of the bill was not carefully done. the proposal they have now floated when they have united government in front of them is so punitive to so many americans that it's hard to sell that. so they are not selling a bill that stabilizes health care markets or lowers premiums.