of, is the president -- how naive is this president to even begin to talk about something like that? >> you mentioned he left his treasury secretary hung out to dry. also his u.n. ambassador to -- u.s. ambassador to the u.n. i spoke with nikki haley sunday. listen to what she said about it. >> from a cyber standpoint, we need to get together with russia. we need to tell them, you know what we think should happen, shouldn't happen, and if we talked to them about it, hopefully we can cut this out and get them to stop. it doesn't mean we -- >> do you think they can be trusted? >> -- eyes off the ball. it doesn't mean we ever trust russia, we can't trust russia and won't ever trust russia but you keep those you trust closer to always keen an eye on them and keep them in check. >> actually, a pretty good point. the best defense i've heard of it. margaret, with your perch covering the white house, is it your sense this was kind of a vladimir putin idea, kind of a -- what people shoe are experts on russia are saying.