classic, you know, russian idea to propose working on something that is controversial between two nations? >> so this meeting between the president and vladimir putin was supposed to go for 30 minutes. overseas in hamburg on the sidelines of the g-20. we all know it went 2 hours 15 minutes. the difference between what you can do in 30 minutes and what you can do in 2 hours and 15 minutes, it's this -- exactly this. when you have a 2 1/2 hour meeting with multiple staff who can talk about multiple things it's a different dynamic than what you have a meeting where the only people there are the president, secretary of state and two translators. no professional notetakers, national security advisers isn't there, russia director not there. an enormous amount we still don't know about precisely how that conversation went down. and that we won't know and these are -- it's a private meeting, but that's what matters. for president putin there's a lot to be gained from saying,