paul manafort. someone who's coming down the pike. amazingly, her stock goes up dramatically right after paul manafort's named the campaign chairman. in this instance, okay, i'm not saying the meeting was a great idea, don jr. said if he had to do it again, he wouldn't. she's an alleged, alleged, has alleged contacts with the russian government, i mean, you just heard congressman schiff saying i'm not going to tell you anything that's classified, and he's saying that she's apart of the russian government. we know that's not true because if congressman schiff knew that for a fact, he wouldn't say it on national tv if he knew that for classified meeting. we heard from a b list publicist an e-mail saying she's tied from the russian government. don jr. was a family member. >> no, he was an advisor -- >> he was a surrogate. >> i was on the campaign at the time. >> can i say one thing, is it not significant that ukraine is an ally of the united states and russia is a geopolitical foe.