she went right down to washington, d.c., did the same thing in washington. and the end result of that was nothing. so i think the whole thing was put-up to begin with. >> but, you know, every former intelligence officer, cia officers who worked on russia for decades say the m.o. of intelligence services, many intelligence services, but particularly the russians is to use cutouts, people not directly employed by the fsb, to make an early approach to gather information. you can't say for sure that wasn't what was happening here. nobody at this point can say for sure, correct? >> all we know, all we know, all we know is the facts that we know. and the facts that we know are she came in to discuss what? the magnitsky act. based on what was going to have opposition research in campaign, opposition research is discussed all the time, that issue comes -- never cosms into play. it was about magnitsky. wait a minute. >> go ahead. >> that's why people left the meeting in minutes. and everybody that was at the meeting that you have talked to said the same thing. it was very short, nonproductive, not what it was supposed to be about.
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