of players now who are going to be heard from wlu are, no longer with the trump campaign, paul manafort, carter page. are you hearing anything that that is a concern for people in the white house? >> no, i mean, look, i think the more the ancillary the circle gets harder it gets to control. you have people, roger stone. has a lengthy relationship with president trump. who is going, at some point going to be appearing, his testimony was canceled. i think that they are, in general, concerned, not just about fact, of what could be said, because i think that, you know when you talk to them they insist there won't be anything there. there is a concern about the closed door nature of the appearances so far. and that there is no transcript provided. so the question then becomes what leaks out from what is said behind cloelz closed doors can tone going forward in terms of public opinion. >> anderson, what we focus always on these witnesses. which witnesses coming in. which witness spoke. these cases are almost always, won or lost or broken or not broken on documents.