it leaving 15 million people uninsured. still jacking up premiums. >> how many are uninsured because they are no longer required to have insurance? >> there would be certainly a percentage of them that would be uninsured because they wouldn't choose to buy insurance because, but those are also people who would be left if they got sick, if they had to pay for health insurance, if they go to emergency rooms, they're jacking up costs for everybody else. everybody's costs would go up if people only chose to buy insurance when they get sick. that's part of the problem. that's why we need the safety net and more people in the system. >> well, interesting to hear that jen you thought the problem was without the medicaid cuts. obviously they've had a significant improvement from the medicaid standpoint from the viewpoint of a lot of senators here and what they're ultimately passing does not have the same coverage problems. and jake, you put your finger on it. most of the numbers are the removal of the individual mandate that forces americans to