supporters are anti- anti-trump. do you get that? >> yes, they are anti-anti-trump. if the election were held today and the same two candidates were there, i don't know that the results would be all that different. maybe he'd lose michigan, 10,000 votes. but we're really dug in and i don't think that's going to change absent a major crisis that makes people rethink what they believe about donald trump. >> i think it may have been margaret hoover. i'm not sure. i'll double check that. molly, in this cnn, ssrs poll, just 24% of americans say they trust most of or all of what comes out of the white house. almost three quarters say they don't. how can the president govern without credibility? is it possible to overcome this do you think? >> it depends what you mean by overcome. he's already having a hard time governing and larry made a very good point.