and so i've been an advocate for years now of opening which right now is kind of hard to do, but an intersection in pyongyang much like we had in havana for decades to deal with a government we didn't recognize. this is not a reward for bad behavior but rather to have an inresidence diplomatic presence, a way of gaining greater insight and understanding in what's going on in north korea and perhaps most importantly, conveying information to north korea. so now -- >> that has not been tried? how would that work? >> no, it hasn't. and i don't know exactly how it would work. but i think the time has come to think about some direct dialogue with the north koreans. it wasn't so long ago that president trump was saying it would be an honor to meet kim jong-un. and perhaps a summit that could be brokered by the chinese. but this -- you know, don't pass go, don't collect $200 and we're