and so we're really seeing a preview of what life, post white house, without steve bannon is going to look like with him at the helm of this media company that really taps into the president's base. and clearly he's going to voice some of his displeasure on that website. >> you know, ryan lizza, when steve bannon says in one of his first interviews since his removal from the white house, the trump presidency that we fought for and won is over. that is an incredibly, incredibly blunt. >> absolutely. look, i think bannon -- i spent a lot of time talking to bannon. i visited him in his office in the white house both in march and then again last month. and, you know, what i can tell you is he believed that he was beset by enemies that started in the west wing, right, people who were idea logically opposed to him. he believes there were concentric circles opposed to him, the media, the republican leaders on the hill.