thing very clear to president trump. they're not paying for that wall. >> the last time the government shut down was 2013. what happened if the administration follows through with this? >> the republicans are urging the president not to move forward with a plan like that. they paid the political price for this in 2013. they led to the government shutdown and the headlines were brutal and they came out every single day, stories about preschools that were closed, kids that couldn't go to preschool, programs that doled out formula for infants for low-income mothers. soldiers were killed in afghanistan who came back to the united states and their families couldn't get death benefits and couldn't get the government to pay for their funeral costs. that's the tiny sample of what happens when you shut down the government. that's the reason they're telling the president, this is not going to go over. >> joining us to talk about the wall, and mexico not paying for it, is jorge ramos. hor ray, for this president who ran on the whole idea that