you just have to live with the fact that this is where north korea is. so is there an avenue for a denuclearization. >> if china really joins the united states and we sit down with china and discuss with them an overall plan, in other words, what should a united korea look like 15, 20 years from now, maybe even a shorter time frame? we can't do that without having china as a full partner. so the first thing we have to do is, once china gets through its plenum and resolves its own political challenge, to sit down with president xi and his strategist and say, how do we solve this problem? because a nuclearized north korea poses the potential for spreading that to south korea, japan and others. none of us want that, so how do we deal with it? i think that's possible. >> it was a frank conversation that they had, but where do president xi and president trump need to be -- what do they need to be talking about, besides,