and we have to recognize them. i worry about a whole country that doesn't recognize it. because think of how many times we get ourselves in scrapes as a nation because we're always the good guys. sometimes i think if we thought we weren't always the good guys we might actually get in less words. >> finishing school, simply chilling. great to have you here. honor, sir. loved the first episode last night. look, growing up in the '70s and '80s, '90s, everything was referred back to vietnam, the gulf war, the second gulf war. people always look back at vietnam. >> it's the ghost we have been carrying around more than five decades. it is is this defeat, failure, however you want to call it that sort of kind of is sitting on one shoulder and asking us to evaluate so much of our current moment from these terms.