divisiveness is his hallmark. but it's not getting the job done. so, why does he cling to that? >> well, i think he feels it's good for him and for his base. certainly not good for the country. and i don't think that it's just that he's distracting us from other problems. i think he's defining himself by the problems he creates, by the heat and the temperature that he can raise. i think he feels that if he can be the man who commands center of attention, he's in good shape. >> so, it's not an attempt really to deflect them from what he's not getting done. he needs this just for himself, is that what you're saying? >> well, you know, to continue with the sports analogy, he needs to keep his eye on the ball. and the ball is north korea. russia, china. it's not worrying about someone taking a knee or an athlete who doesn't stand up for the national anthem. that's a constitutional right. and while i wouldn't participate in that necessarily, you take that issue and you make that into something bigger than it