about that had cochran numerous times as well already. other times it just says he's in the hospital, and that's not why the health care vote didn't happen. >> simple answer is he says whatever he thinks sebs him and while he's saying it he does believe it. >> maggie, you've seen that. >> yes. yes. i think that's exactly it and i think that has always been exactly it. and i think there are times when he knows it's not true, but he's telling himself it's true. i think that everybody is looking for some rational explanation for why he does things and people are looking for some core ideology that he has and he doesn't have any of those things. elsay what he thinks to get through very chinay -- elsay what it takes to get through certain tiny increments of time. he's focused on the next ten minutes basically. and he's -- i once had a conversation with somebody where i was trying to explain how he's sort of the guy from a friends