but interesting that they were seeing that from the president today. but, again, the conversation at the end about secretary of state tillerson and not being tough enough on north korea stands out to me, brooke. >> i think that is an excellent point. jeffly lewis who has been good enough to hang out. let me ask you about that. there has been all this reporting, i shouldn't just say reporting, the president tweeting and telling the press pool that he and the secretary of state see north korea very differently. how much of a problem that? >> i think it's an enormous problem. i know that people imagine that you can do a good cop, bad cop routine. but the reality is getting the north koreans to the table being able to credibly talk to them. and if the secretary of state has a reputation as saying one thing and the president appears on twitterer to take it away, then if you are the north koreans why do you bother. >> it is not a good cop, bad cop routine, even though it appears